someone with permanent respectlessness, due to being or thinking they are permanently in the cockpit? I think it is the collective preference to always conclude they made me do it and therefore there is no respect. But everyone has pilots, it's pilots cyclity or all-the-way-down, and guess what, they therefore deserve no respect either. Noone deserves respect ever. Is what they're advocating. Never mind getting through to them, how do I get through to myself that this is not true? Perhaps without, or perhaps with, refering to the pragmatism of a universe that contains credit and blame as more than a merely rendered emotion... Kahki, car keys.